Amplifire 12 parallel loop option not implemented

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  1. abbeyroad65

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    I use an eventide h9 connected to the amplifire 12 loop,
    No parallell loop option or a mixer is implemented to allow me to set
    Kill dry option in the h9 a feature very useful to avoid an unwanted AD/DA
    conversion.
    I sent an email to atomic support but no answer (very disappointed)
     
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    Hey nobody out there interested to a pro feature? Bump
     
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    Jace Nuzback Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps this is something that could be implemented in the future.
     
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    mollydyer Well-Known Member

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    See- and I've always gone in the other direction - I want my fx loop to be serial. Even on my Parallel FX Loop equipped Mesaboogie - I modded it to a full serial loop. Otherwise the modulation and delay effects oscillated on me at high gains.
     
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    If you want to avoid the extra AD/DA, just switch off the loop when you're not using the H9. That said, the Eventide's converters are good enough that it's not a big deal IMO.
     
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    I use the H9 on all the times, really hope Atomic implement this pro feature in the upcoming firmware update.
    I’m not the only one, other users in the wishlist are asking for!
    Still waiting an answer from ATOMIC SUPPORT.................
     
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    That would be Jace above. He is the Atomic rep on the forums.
     
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    Thank you Aleclee, I know H9 has good converters but I just would like to know if Amplifire parallel loop feature will be implemented or not, since for me and other Amplifire owners is VERY IMPORTANT
     
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    Aleclee I did an a/b compare the sound change a lot in a digital cheap sound with the h9 engaged in serial
    configuration. Distorted / crunch tones loose bass consistency and seems out of fase.....
    Bump
     
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    This would be a good addition indeed! I tried the kill-dry function on my Echolution going into the effects loop of my AA3. My guitar tone just gets considerably chomped. New to putting effects through amps effects send and return. Never tried this function on real amps before, but ever since i got my AA3...I have seen the light. But yes yes to the parallel mode!
     
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    Great Jonathan! Nice to know I’m not alone! Parallel loop feature will put Amplifire in the Pro area IMHO. Sad Atomic seems not interested. In the meantime I use a Suhr Minimix II but would be nice to have internal to Amplifire
     
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    With a parallel loop you can really only use 1 effect at a time because you only have the 1 mix control. With series you can have multiple effects using each units mix control. Yeah you can run series in the parallel loop but that defeats the whole idea. I dont see this being offered anytime soon . I dont need it. I suspect more people here would like the internal effects improved like a better compressor or sweeter reverb done first.
     
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    Hi AbbeyRoads65, not sure what your problem seems to be other than a preference to remove one set of DA/AD conversion. Thing is, a lot of modern effects pedals are digital so there can be numerous serial conversions going on anyway (think, Chorus into Delay into Reverb). By using a series Effects Loop Atomic remove the problem of different DA/AD conversion rates between the AA and the effects pedal which can cause problems with your sound. Eventide discuss this in a way when they address the dry/wet signal questions (see link below). Jr.Deluxe rightly points out that running a parallel loop limits your 'Mix' option to just 1 setting per preset, which means you would have to create a new patch in the AA every time you wanted to use a different effect in the H9 (with a different mix) regardless of whether you changed the amp settings or not. If you are having sound problems, then I suggest you look to the way you are setting up the H9 as several users who have the AA and H9 have no problems at all. Check your H9 gain settings to make sure you are not causing clipping in the AA.

    https://www.eventideaudio.com/support/faq/does-h9-have-analog-dry-path

    FullHouse
     
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    Hi Fullhouse and jrdeluxe, I know very Well how to setup H9....I don’t need more than one pedal in series for time base efx (ie h9 space time algorithm has a Beautiful mixable chorus/delay/reverb ) other pro h9 users confirm that h9 converters are very good BUT CHANGE IN A ORRIBLE DIGITAL WAY THE SOUND. Here what says another gearslutz user:
    ...... Considering the use I do the only thing I don't like is the dry signal AD/DA conversion. Even if the converters are quiet good the difference between DSP and Relay bypass is clearly significant to my ears and my general playing feel also considering that delays just add repeats to the dry signal that still remain the big part of the sound and should remain untouched the more as possible. Thinking of adding a mini mixer or something similar to use H9 as parallel side effect with kill dry on: anyone doing the same? any suggestion? Thanks.
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    For the longest time I used my Timefactor in kill dry with a Suhr Minimix II and I always found it to be a much improved sound compared to the DSP signal. Now with the H9 I find that the DSP bypass sound is better but still notice the difference (although I was looking for it to begin with based on my experience with the Timefactor, probably not noticeable in a band mix). I am wiring a new board around the RJM Mastermind PBC switcher which has a built-in line mixer and will use the H9 in parallel.

    Both the mixer in the RJM PBC and the Suhr Minimix have the ability to also kill dry, so if you need 100% wet for a certain effect like whammy or backwards guitar (reverse delay), you can still have it. The difference between the Minimix and some other alternatives is that it adds the wet signal to your dry so the max wet is 50% (or 100% with kill dry, no in-between), while other "blender" style units or pedals morph from dry to fully wet.
     
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    If youre using the h9 for all your effects and none of the AAs internals you might be able to just run the h9 completly post the AA. Then mix it at the next stage. I think otherwise youre wishing for fairydust. I cant speak for atomic but i think more is involved than writing a little digital code. Ive never ever seen a product suddenly add a parallel loop on to a finished processor.
     
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    Helix has parallel loop since day one..........
    I use and prefer Amplifire for the amp tones and small dimension.
     
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    Since day one is the key to your statement, I think. There are hardware requirements for a parallel loop that simply may not be present inside the Amplifire box.
     
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    Wyatt is right- and while this is a best guess - I'd bet that you'd be in the digital domain regardless. It would simply be a matter of if you prefer the AA or the eventide's converters.

    Remember, this is a DIGITAL modelling device.
     
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    There's another thing I'm missing here..

    What are your levels like on the H9? stereo or mono?
     
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    Hi, sounds like you don't like the H9 AD/DA converters. That is not a problem with the atomic Amplifire. I suggest you speak to Evenride.
    FullHouse
     

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