Amplifire 6 with One control Gecko MkIII

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  1. Scorstin

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    Hello all!

    Has anyone tried using their AA or AA6 with this, or a similar MIDI pedal?
    I purchased an AA6 a few days ago and it's currently on its way from Anderton's. Meanwhile, I was thinking how to make it work best for me across the two bands I play in.
    (For the last couple of years I've used a Digitech GSP1101 with a Behringer FCB1010. I had a bank of presets for each band, plus one extra bank for special one-off effects. So around 25-30 sounds I had set up on the unit.)

    I was thinking whether it is possible to use it to switch between banks +/- 10 in AA, while the AA buttons would switch presets or effects within these banks.. Plus, the third button on the Gecko could act as Tap tempo.

    But then I read the Gecko can only send PC changes, so I'm not sure if this is still possible to implement somehow.
    Anyone has an idea or experience?

    Thanks a lot!
     
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    If you used your fcb1010 smartly, you could even get away with an AA3 (unless you want the inclusion of the pitch effect)
    With the fcb and an uno-chip you could move in banks of 5 or 10. I used a GSP1101 with an fcb1010 prior to getting my AA3.
    The AA3 was awesome for a compact all-in-one unit but for “serious” live use i employed a midi controller to get the most out of it though this was at a time before the AA12 was released.
    If the AA12 had been around at the time it would have been the ideal option. Like @Jace Nuzback said, it sounds like the AA12 should more than suit your needs if you like to have ten buttons worth of presets under your feet.
    Nowadays i happily run just an AA12 on its own and eliminated the need for a midi controller. Its very versatile without the limitations of the 6buttons, although if physical size (or budget) is a factor the AA6 could be an option. I’ve no knowledge of the gecko.
     
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    Why did you choose AA6 + a small controller rather than AA12?
     
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    Thanks for the advice guys.

    I chose the AA6 due to size mainly. I bought an Amplifirebox second hand this summer and I wanted to build a pedalboard around it with some analog and digital pedals, to eventually replace my GSP1101+FCB. I guess I kind of missed the feeling of having physical dials and swap different pedals in and out. I bought and sold a few, but I could not figure out a good way to switch it all quickly during songs, plus the AFB is just too limited for me with only two presets in the end. But the amp sound I liked a lot. So last two months I was just playing with it at home, taking the GSP to gigs instead, considering my options, reading forums, watching video comparisons and reviews...

    But ultimately, it came down to the AA6 vs HX stomp due to switching and preset capabilities, and still small size. Now comparing these two, I have the AFB and I downloaded the Helix Native demo to try them out against each other, and long story short - AA was the winner. It's kind of hard to get them here though, the only distributor for EU is Anderton's AFAIK, and they are often out of stock with long waiting times.

    So when I saw they have a good deal on all Atomic products on Anderton's now, I immediately ordered an AA6. Should have it on Monday finally (shipping takes a while to the continent) so while it is on the way I'm figuring out how to make most of it...maybe I'm just overthinking things, I might not need that many sounds in the end...I made a list of sounds/effects I need last night and it could be doable with just the AA and six buttons.

    Need to sleep on it...
     
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    You could incorporate the AA6 into the GSP setup. I recall you can use the gsp internal preamp or selectively switch to an external preamp. Patching in and out the AA with the 4 cable method could give you the midi solution you seek with the best of both. Downside is if you are looking for a smaller setup you must compromise somewhere-The fcb is a larger device than all the AA units.

    Alternatively, Does the fcb1010 + AA6 setup seem appealing? That might be your answer.
     
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    Personally, I would build a board around an AA12. Put a midi switcher underneath the board and then you can use the buttons on your Amplfire as a midi controller for the other pedals too.

    That's what I did, using a second hand DB11 Loop Expander. It works like a dream.
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    Nice setup NelsonP!

    The unit arrived on Monday but so far I only had one evening to tinker with it. So far so good, looks like I should be able to do what I need without an additional midi controller, just with the AA and maybe a few extra pedals for weird stuff. All in all, I’m still saving a lot of space compared to the fcb+rack with gsp. Really well though out unit control-wise.
     
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    Yes, midi switching is a bit of a luxury really. But I picked up a used midi switcher quite cheaply so it seemed rude not to!
     
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    Hey guys, just a follow up here. So I tried setting up my presets first as A/B, which works as it should and switches between two fixed presets - one red and the other orange (amber).

    To get more flexibility, I then tried using offset 1/6 instead to switch different presets per bank, and not be limited to just two. It works, but the footswitch led stays red on both 1 and 6.

    Is this FAD or is there a way to have red/orange under the offset button setup?
     
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    You have to select one functionality OR the other.
    So OFFSETS OR A/B foot switching.
    Jace
     
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    Ok got it. I assumed offset 1/6 was similar to A/B in that it switches between two presets, so they would be color coded as well. Could be useful in a gig, but no biggie...
     

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