Amplifirebox vs Iridium from strymon

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  1. head2nostromo

    head2nostromo New Member

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    Hello there,
    Have someone tried to make amplifirebox sound as close as possible to strymon plexi and fender amp with the same ir's?

    I would like to look at setup screens.

    In my opinion firebox is nasal with more bass.

    Meybe someone from Atomic employee have tryed to get the same results?
    Jace Nuzback !maybe you?
    Head
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    That helped a lot. Thank You
     
  4. Rayosytruenos

    Rayosytruenos Well-Known Member

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    Yesterday, at the rehearsal room, I was teaching my friend on how to program his Iridium (and his new Multiswitch plus, which gives access to 3 extra presets), because he is not good at all doing that kind of things. I had to check the manual, as the programming of the extra footswitches is not intuitive at all.

    First days his sound was horrible, as he adjusted the pedal at home, at very low levels, and didn't want to change it at loud levels. So yesterday I "forced" him to do that.

    It finally sounded good. Very good, in fact.

    I think the difference with the Atomic, and maybe the reason for that extra bass you see in the AFB is that the Iridium is "just" the amp. I mean, you cannot access parameters in the CAB section (Roll Off, for example), nor using PRE EQ to tailor the sound, because they don't exist in the Iridium; it's factory set to sound like an amp.

    In the other side, the Atomic has many more parameters to work on until you get the sound you "want".

    This is not good and not bad, it's just that, with Atomic, you have many more sound/tone options, and a few of the parameters are absolutely critical and have to be necessarily checked and adjusted if you want to sound like a guitar amp (and it also has many more amps and cabs inside and things the Iridium doesn't have), so it's a longer way to get there.

    Why? That's another question.

    But it's much easier with the Iridium, and that's desirable sometimes and for some people.

    You could think the Iridium is very easy to work with, and Atomic is way too complex. Well, not really; Fractals are complex. Atomic is in the middle of the road (well... If we talk about price, Atomic is in one extreme of the road. Iridium and Multiswitch are around 600€. AFB is around 300).
     
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    Thanks for sharing the experience. A friend who recently moved from Atomic to FM3 told me that it is indeed complex. But he added why does it matter? Tons of presents to download. Find one close to your liking, minor tweak and its sorted, no huge knowledge needed.

    I have both AA3 and AFB. They are superb and not far off from Fractal or Kemper considering their price. Tbh I like the sound characteristics better than Kemper. BUT somehow I find that everything I want in the Amplifire I have to work hard to get it and I have to do it myself. Not everyone is good at tweaking or want to tweak. Call me stupid or lazy but back when I used the line 6, I just downloaded a profile and played. Almost no tweaking needed. Doesnt sound right? Download another. Abundant in the web and mostly free.

    Tbh I am getting tired. I wish Atomic would market better to get a bigger community. The community here is lovely and especially Jace, you have been wonderful, but it starting to feel that it's not enough. Am I alone here? Atomic products are more superior than 80% of the modellers out there, imo. Why should I be feeling like this?
     
  6. NelsonP

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    I agree - preset sharing doesn't really work as everyone is using different IR's anyway.

    Jace is super helpful, but the community on here is pretty quiet these days. I recently posted on here, asking people to put up their favorite clean preset. Hardly anyone did. Feels like a lot of people have moved on to other options, especially some of the people that were more active / helpful in the past like MollyDyer and WattMcCo.

    Also the development of Amplifire seems to have stopped completely. There are still lots of basic bugs that aren't getting fixed and no attempt to expand the repertoire of available effects or improve the ones that are already there.

    All of this makes the experience of owning an Amplifire worse than it used to be a couple of years ago.
     
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    Rayosytruenos Well-Known Member

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    Yes... I'd like to see more movement in this forum. At least people is very helpful.
     
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    I was very overwhelmed at first,but after following Jace’s setting instructions, very minor tweaking was needed imo. It takes a little bit of time and patience but well worth it! The sounds that I’m getting are pretty damn awesome, but it’s to my ears, so sharing my presets, although I don’t mind doing, is gonna be pretty subjective to peoples liking. Another thing to factor in is i play through a Friedman ASC-10 and I use aftermarket IRs, so that has a major effect on settings as well. I really think it’s gonna just take some good ol fashioned time tweaking it and a little patience, but it really pays off!
    FYI...York Audio IRs are what really made the biggest quality difference in my sound. Not as much to choose from as Ownhammer, etc, but very quality stuff!
     
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    I wish Atomic would go full Quad Cortex and preannounce early prototypes a year in advance plus typical delays.

    Then again sales of their current devices might crawl to a halt ala the Osborne Effect.
     
  10. head2nostromo

    head2nostromo New Member

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    Guys!
    At first I will explain that I use AMP and CAB ONLY with afb. Thats what it is for right? any other effects should be added only for extras/something more. I bought it straight for amp/ir. Any other effects set to off. I was trying to replicate the iridium sounds always with close results but that nasal feeling was more than disturbing to me. I walk my way through manual and I didnt find a word about how crushal for a tone EQUALIZATION is and that it sould be always on.

    My question is :"is there any particular setting for EQ or some rules for eq to make amp sim more like a living thing. Can I get rid of nasal sound with eq?
     
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    Have you tried experimenting with the DAMPING parameter of the AMP block?
     
  12. Rayosytruenos

    Rayosytruenos Well-Known Member

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    My approach to AFB is very different. For me it's an all in one solution. I think the Parametric Eqs could be the solution for you.

    Today I went to the rehearsal room with the other guitar player in the band; the one with the Iridium.

    We were very relaxed and worked on the sounds calmly. Some beer involved.

    We got really good sounds straight to the desk. I enjoyed a lot his Strymons and he was freaking with my AA6. I told him again and again that the options I was using in the AA6 are all in the AFB he rejected.

    A very good experience. Both units are great. As I said in an earlier post, the Iridium is very easy to set; not a single option that doesn't exist in the original amps (well, a Level control). Atomics need more work; those parameters noted by Jace are critical.

    In other words: it's not easy to get a realistic sound from the Atomics with just Amp and Cab blocks.
     
  13. head2nostromo

    head2nostromo New Member

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    Thats all true MR Rayosytruenos.
    AFB has more options, is more complicated. Complicated is maybe a bad word for it...its more flexible. What I mean you can get good sound from it and you can get a terrible sound as well.
    Easer for me to dig into iridium. The reason is that I dont need to think about " does it sound good or like a real amp, is there to much his etc". iridium is more likely to sound decent.
     
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    Rayosytruenos Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree.
     

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