Can't load this IR...

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  1. Sascha Franck

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    What was the verdict on that cabIR file?
     
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    I could not load it in to my units either.
    I'm not sure what the problem is.
    Jace
     
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    Weird as it played a “pop” in media player and the web browser like youd expect from a cab IR but couldnt import into any daw or WAV editor. I wonder if its just an offset DC wave? Shows as zero bytes in size too.
    @Sascha Franck can you explain its origin and what/how/who create it please.
     
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    There is a fade-in and a fade-out in the file.

    upload_2019-2-11_19-0-39.png
    Maybe if you delete that?
     
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    If you tell me how to upload the non-faded version, I'll pass it along.
     
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    Fwiw, Jace already sent me the file via Mail.

    But, Joe, what did you use to have that fade displayed? And how did you remove it?
    I am not aware of any non-destructive fades to be stored within a wavefile, never ever stumbled upon anything like that before.

    Fwiw, this is a mix of some of my own IRs, rendered out straight from Logic - something I've been doing countless times with Logic Pro 9 in the past, but this was the first attempt with Logic Pro X. I checked my bounce settings and there's nothing that would explain any fades to happen.
    Fwiw #2: Yes, I applied a fade, but just at the end of the file and it's a destructive edit - and again, I've done that countless times in the past.
    And fwiw #3: I just loaded the file in Audacity and resaved it - now the AFB would load it.
    Still, I see absolutely no reason for this fade (that I can't even see anywhere in my tools of trade) to happen, let alone having a clue about how to actually avoid/remove it.

    Cheers
    Sascha
     
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    Btw, in case you wonder about the strange sound of that IR, it's made specifically to tame the (IMO quite un-great) bottom end of both the D Luxe and the 59 Bman.
     
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    I pulled it into Reaper, and it had the Fade information. To get rid of it, I pulled the fades hard-square and rendered the file. Past that, I have no idea where they came from, they were there in you original file.
     
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    It is possible for WAV files to contain extra non—audio information, ie, file detail, composer, copyright and other meta-data. I believe you can even add your own custom non-audio data to a WAV file using the right tools. I take it from this that it can also contain data that is relevant to specific software, in this case logic and probably explains why my WAV editor and daw threw an error on its attempt to open it.
     
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    Hi,
    Couldn't it be that automatic fade in/out while importing media items is set in Reaper?
    Just a guess...
    Regards
    Alex
     
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    I suppose it could be, but none of my other files come in that way. I believe the fade-in/fade-out was part of the original file. And that seems to be borne out by the fact that the file didn't work until I got rid of the fade in/out, and now it seems to work.

    I mean, it's possible -- even likely, given it was inexplicably in Sascha's file -- that something happened automatically, but I don't think it was Reaper that added it.
     
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    Thanks for your insight on this guys!
    Jace
     
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    Well, thanks for whatever possible explanations, but all this is really looking quite weird to me.
    As said, I have been doing it 1:1 the same in Logic 9 for hundreds of times and it always worked. Just now with Logic Pro X this erratic behaviour comes up all of a sudden. Guess I'll have to have another look about what might possibly be happening there.
    Fwiw, as said, Audacity is not showing any weird things and when I re-save it from there, the AFB loads the file just fine, too.

    I just checked all the export settings in Logic again, and there's absolutely nothing fishy or whatsoever.
     
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    Fwiw, the forum here is completely acting up. I can't log in via Firefox anymore (OSX High Sierra), need to use Safari (which I hate). In addition, the reply I wrote hours ago showed up as unsent. Completely weird.
     
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    so the plot thickens. I attempted an import using logic and it appears to have tempo data embedded. (see screen shot)
    I attempted to rid the file of the extraneous data. See attached and hopefully that will open.
    Screenshot 2019-02-12 at 17.59.00.png
     

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    Have you written to Apple about this or consulted other users in Logic forums to see if they've run in to similar issues?
     
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    there's several ways to export from logic, export as bounced, normalise, even the "hover over clip" options offers 3 "export to file" variations.
    Safe to export the raw wave avoiding all processing not required.

    Perhaps there's some hidden defaults in logic that apply the "unwanted" extras to any exported audio.
    I'm not a massive logic user so cant say where to look for this stuff.
     
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    Was the BPM 118? If so, that was probably me, because the last thing I did in Reaper was at 118BPM (default is 120 -- and I didn't know it exported that info). But I gather it loaded for Sascha anyway.
     

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