Celestion announced the F12-X200

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  1. Dagwin

    Dagwin Well-Known Member

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    See here: https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/

    I have a Marshall Valvestate 8080 where I removed the amplifier part and re-soldered the speaker, so I can use it as an open-back 112. It's actually quite nice with the original G12T-75 speaker. Great for practice @home.

    I'm considering buying a F12-X200 as soon as they are released to replace the G12T-75, that way I would have a cheap FRFR/acoustic rig that I could use in any circumstance (home practice, band rehersals, gigs).

    You think that dropping the F12-X200 in this old open-back cab would work or would it require a purpose built cab to make it sound good ?
     
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    Try it and report back immediately! ;)
     
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    Ermagherd, cerlestrieen!!!
     
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    So long as the speaker fits properly it should sound fine in that cab.
    I'm very interested to see what people think of that speaker!
     
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    I'm interested how it would sound in a 2 x 12, with the V30, I have a Line 6 G12H90 that works great with the v30's in a 4 x 12
    And the G12H90 is great for modeling, which isn't to available anymore.
    Just wondering and interested also.
    Thanks for the info, Dagwin
     
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    I e-mailed Celestion yesterday asking if it would be a good fit for the Marshall Valvestate 8080 or my own-built XF212 cab (see here: https://billfitzmaurice.info/XFCabs.html)

    This is their response:
    Hello Dagwin –

    The F12 was designed to be retro-fit into an existing guitar cabinet, so you can use it in your favourite style of cab.

    There’s nothing to stop you putting it into a ported cabinet, if you really wanted to extend the low end, but that shouldn’t really be necessary.

    Regards,

    The Doc
    Dr. Decibel, Celestion, Claydon Business Park, Great Blakenham, Ipswich IP6 0NL, UK


    Set my self up to receive an alert the moment they become available :)
     
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    Any idea when this might be available? The built-in crossover makes it very appealing as a drop-in replacement for -- well, just about anything.

    Joe
     
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    I read somewhere it would be available in June, on other places it says "this summer". On the Celestion site it says "coming soon"...

    I also have a 212 cab (XFX212 design), would it make a difference to have 2 of those in such a cab vs a single cab ?
     
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    Looks like it'll be shipping at the end of the summer...
     
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    One could always try a really old entry....the EV 12TRX, or the 15TRX (B). I had the latter, once upon a time, in a 1x15 cabinet. Very efficient/loud, despite the lower power handling (40W for the 12" and 60W for the 15TRX). They handle down to around 30 hz. Really meant for old-school Hi-fi stuff, but were also used in old PAs and theater sound systems, so they'll handle guitar just fine (I would not play bass through them).

    These Celestions look interesting, though they aren't all that "flat," in absolute terms. 60 hz is a good 6dB lower than their average rated sensitivity of 97, which is not terrible, but not standout, either. It'd be worth a try, though with the increased treble response, unless it can be deactivated, will probably bring out some "sharp" or sybilant highs that would sound like going through a PA, unless you're using an IR ahead of them.

    Cool idea, though.
     
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    They are flat-ish in the guitar spectrum. Should be okay. I may try one when they come out, just for fun.
     
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    Quick update: Still no word on the FX12, but I have ordered a new old-school-Marshall-style 1x12 cab to house it when it does come out. It will be a twin to this bad boy:
    112 Cab.jpg
    Now I just need a good amp to drive it. More as things develop.

    Joe
     
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    Just pre-ordered one from Thomann. Yesterday the site showed delivery in 1-2 weeks, today it said "Available for pre-order".
    Let the waiting games begin...
     
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    I'm currently running a 2x12 with creambacks in it. I am powering it with a pair of Mooer Baby bombs. So the speakers are independantly powered. What does everybody think of replacing one speaker with one of these? Would it improve the over all tone or make it hard to EQ. I am thinking leave the bottom speaker in the cab (it is an upright cab) which is actually a G12H-75 (the top is a G12M-65) so the bottom would be darker and handle base frequencies and the top FRFR would give maybe a better sparkle to the sound?

    cheers

    Al.
     
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    How would the new FX12-X200 speaker be different from the Celestion K12H-200TC speaker, which I believe is a twin cone, capable up to 10kHz. This speaker handles 200 watts and is good value ($129 in Australia). Link below.

    Does anyone have experience with this speaker?

    https://celestion.com/product/138/k12h200tc/

    Cheers
    Paul
     
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    Status on Thomann.de changed from "Available in 2-3 weeks" to "Available for pre-order".
    So I e-mailed celestion and got this response:
    There’s a batch on the way to the UK right now, so it’ll be a few more weeks, I’m afraid. Sorry about that.

    Patience is a virtue!

    No experience with the K12...
     
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    Well, the K12H is a whizzer-cone speaker with no control or crossover for the high frequencies, whereas the F12-x is a two-way coaxial speaker (woofer with separate tweeter driver); also, the F12 is supposed to have more of a guitar speaker-style woofer with a straighter, lighter ribbed cone, so it will (according to the marketing fluff) have a much more guitar-like feel. Finally, the K12 wants a box of a certain size with ports of a certain dimension, whereas the F12 is designed to drop in to any combo amp that has an FX loop so you can run your modeler into the FX return and get a GRFR "amp in the room" experience.

    (Man, I hate AITR).

    Anyway, I'm sure there's more, but those are the main points.

    Joe
     
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    She's a looker...
     
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    Graph looks good. Would like to see a higher sensitivity rating. Still, it likely does the trick.
     

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