Discussion in 'Discussion' started by Dagwin, Apr 25, 2018.
Just a reminder that you an use the FX returns in AUX IN mode for this purpose.
True! Thank you for reminding me
Have seen this before but completely forgot about it...
Just tested it with my smartphone, the F12-X200 performs superb with music+guitar
gotta go to look out
Last week took it to rehersal, it wasn't so good...
At high volume, it sounds "boxy" compared to my cabinet. As if the speaker is put in a box, don't know how else to describe it.
Band members were not impressed and asked me to bring my cabinet again next rehearsal.
I guess I wanted to like it more than I should because of all the effort and money put into it.
It's still a great speaker and certainly usable as FRFR, but might have to put it in a bigger cabinet.
At this point however, I'm done experimenting.
Will probably keep it for home so I can leave my cabinet at our rehearsal place.
Thanks for the update.
Is it in a closed back cab? What amp? I have one in an open back 1x12 and it sounds great loud, as long as I have enough juice powering it.
Keep in mind that it is not anywhere near as efficient as a standard guitar speaker, so you will need significantly more juice from the power amp to drive it at louder volumes. Even then, since a single speaker is only rated to handle 200w, you may need multiples depending on your definition of loud.
It's in a ported cabinet: https://www.lean-business.co.uk/esh...front-ported-guitar-cabinet-empty-p-2957.html
I also tried it in an open back 1x12 cabinet, same result. "Boxy" sound.
Could probably be improved with equalizing, but I don't know too much about that....
The quest continues...
Another update! I downloaded the cab plan from the Celestion site and built a cab myself for the F12-X200.
Sounded good at home, but as I know now, that's no guarantee that it will cut it at live volume...
But I took it to rehearsal two days ago and it delivers !
Plenty loud, NICE tone and you would not say it's only a 1x12.
I left my 212 at the rehearsal room and am keeping this one for at home and for gigs.
There is a minidsp plate amplifier in the back in a separate compartment, which allows for a 45 degree tilt.
For those interested, you can build this cabinet for 100€ or so, the plate amplifier is the PWR-ICE125 and it was 369€, the speaker was 130€.
This one has a built-in DSP so I'm now looking for someone who can measure the output response of the speaker so we can flatten the response curve.
So you don't do this to get a cheap solution, but it is a nice build project and it feels good to play through something home made
And it doubles nicely as a party speaker!
I have purchased the Fremen preset pack and have used/tweaked some of them to replace some of my own presets.
Replaced the CAB IR with the Celestion Redbacks 412 cab.
Yesterday I was at rehersal again, I left my FRFR (see above) at home and used my physical 2x12 cab with Redbacks without cab simulation.
All patches translate without a problem to the physical cab and 95% sound the same.
No more hauling cabinets back and forth
If we have a gig, I plan to use my FRFR cab for monitoring and go direct to PA also from the Amplifire.
On to the next project now!
Want to re-paint my Ibanez 540S LTD and put some EMG's in there.
But I'll need to sell my 7-string first to pay for this and a few other things.
Anyone interested in an Ibanez RGD7UC in mint condition ?
My turn to update...
In the interim of waiting for Celestion to finally get worldwide distro, I bought a Tech 21 Deuce Deluxe. I've been gigging with it and am not unhappy with it -- in fact, the controls on it make it a very easy solution to dial in -- but, since the Deuce is almost exactly the same specs as the recommended box fomr Celestion (volume, ports), l I've ordered an F12 to install in the Deuce.
Should be here tomorrow.
Let us know how it goes!
You're not 100% happy with the original speaker of the Deuce ?
I'm never 100% happy -- I'm a guitarist!
The Deuce is a great solution and it works really, really well for me. But I played it back to back with an F12 in a shop here in town, and I liked that a lot, too. Different than the original Deuce drivers, though I'm not sure I'd say better or worse. A bit less flat-response, a bit more of a Celestion feel. So I want to give it a try long term, see where it goes. I'll be storing the standard drivers, though, because I can see where the F12 might get to be tiring to listen to. But I wanted to give it a real-world go.
The biggest challenge for me is going to be, which one sounds more like my PA, because I like to tune small first, and then bring in the PA to tweak.
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