Effects Loop Tone suck?

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  1. generic22

    generic22 New Member

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    Hi all, a new user and first time posting. I have AA3 and I'm having some trouble getting the effects loop (both series and parallel mode) usable.

    Here is my issue: the effects loop in Series mode really sucks out the tone and make AA3 sound like a pod. Its just changes the sound so boxy and as if the amp cab is suddenly switched to 3" practice speaker. Is this normal? I've tried different loop locations on AA3, tried buffered/true bypass modes on my Strymon Big Sky, tried just plugging a short cable directly (no pedal) from send to return, they all sucked tone on series mode no matter what. By the way, I'm using stereo return and haven't tried mono.

    Parallel mode is better but has it's own issue: I have not yet able to dial in a sound (with Big Sky on 100% wet) where I felt like the dry and wet signals are cohesive as one. I still get the feel that dry and wet signals are separated. For example, with longer decay, I could hear my dry signal dying out while the reverb still going (in series mode, this does not happen and creates well diffused transition that I could never tell my dry signal died). It just sounds like I'm playing a dry guitar over another guitar track with reverb. Hard to explain but basically 2 distinct sounds forced to be mixed together rather than a nice natural blend.

    Has anyone else come across this issue?
     
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    Hi,
    I have this boxy effect on my delays and reverbs, only if I route the loop before the amp. If it's after the amp sim I don't notice any loss of signal.
     
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    Hi,
    I have this boxy effect on my delays and reverbs, if I route the loop before the amp. If it's after the amp sim I don't notice any loss of signal.
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Make sure that the FX LOOP is in position 4 or 5 ONLY. These are the only POST amp positions.
    With the loop set to SEIRES with the SEND and RETURN levels set to 0dB connect a 1/4" cable
    from the SEND to the LEFT MONO RETURN.
    Now if you turn the FX LOOP on/off you should hear no difference.
    Please confirm this.
    Also, you are correct about how the parallel loop works.
    You have two separate signals that you're listening to.
    The AmpliFire sound and the sound of the pedals in the loop.
    Most people are used to the sound of a series loop so you will likely find that sound more satisfying.
    Jace
     
  5. generic22

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    Thanks for the replies. I gotta admit this happen completely on my ignorance. My Big Sky for some reason had the cab sim "ON." Of course that would get boxy. I still don't understand why it still happened when I plug the cable directly though but it's not doing that anymore. Maybe I got confused. Anyway, all is well now.
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Excellent.
    Good job finding the issue.
    Jace
     

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