Expression Pedal

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  1. Slartibartfarst42

    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    On another thread I commented that the only pedal I use other than my Atomic is a wah (Dunlop 535Q) and that was mostly because I already had it when I bought the Atomic and simply couldn't be bothered to change things. I can't buy anything here in the Falkland Islands but I will be visiting the UK at Christmas so I've decided to make the change then. It's possible I may sell the 535Q privately but for the sake of simplicity, I may just trade it in to Rich Tone Music in Sheffield as I usually call in there anyway. They have suggested either a Dunlop DVP3 or a Source Audio Soundblox Dual Expression Pedal. I was initially thinking of something a bit cheaper like a Boss EV-30 but having never even looked at expression pedals before, I'm really not sure what's good value and what isn't.

    Any advice would be appreciated.
     
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    If you plan to use the expression pedal to control other parameters, then go for it.
    If you just plan to use the expression pedal for wah, just keep your wah pedal.

    Most expression pedals will work well with the AF12.

    Stay away from Line 6 pedals though.

    For something built like a tank go with Mission Engineering:

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EP-1--mission-engineering-inc-ep-1-expression-pedal-black


    For something light weight and inexpensive go for the M-Audio:

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PedalExp--m-audio-ex-p-expression-pedal
     
  3. Slartibartfarst42

    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    At the moment I only use wah and no other parameters but I suspect that's because I've never had an expression pedal. If I had one, I imagine I'd use it for more than wah. I was particularly interested in something I saw on another thread about a single expression pedal being used for more than one effect. I don't pretend to understand how to set that up but it strikes me as an idea I could easily use. I think I'm correct in saying that to do that I need something called a dual expression pedal.
     
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    I use a Moog EP3 - cheap as chips and works well.

    But it is not a dual expression pedal. As I understand it (and I may be wrong) a dual pedal has two outputs so you could control 2 parameters simultaneously with it. They would obviously change in parallel with each other, but hopefully you are able to set the range to be specific to each parameter (again I may be wrong about that).

    Boss EV30 or EHX dual expression pedal look decent enough.

    This could have some potentially interesting applications - e.g. using it to increase the gain and the depth of the reverb at the same time, or gain + mid boost on the EQ for soloing. I believe that you could set it to control any combination of 2 parameters, but with the caveat that they would need to be varied at the same time.

    EDIT: just done a quick search and it seems that some issue may arise:
    http://atomicamps.com/forum/index.php?threads/af12-with-ev-30-weird-pedal-tracking.2676/#post-14679
    @Tom Hyzy - did you ever get that sorted out?
     
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    Anyone have experience with the Hotone Soulpress as an expression pedal? Does it track well?
     
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    I think it's strange that most of these dual expression pedals don't allow you to
    switch between the A output and the B output. There are plenty of creative uses
    for controlling two different parameters at the same time, but I would think
    that most of the time people would want to use one or the other, not both.
    I also want to point out that your expression pedal assignments can be different
    PER PRESET! For example on preset 1 you use it for wah control. On preset 2 you use it
    for echo level, etc. So if you only use one parameter per preset you don't even need
    two expression pedals or a dual expression pedal.
     
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    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    I would imagine most of the time I will just use it for Wah but the Boss EV-30 is so reasonably priced that I reasoned, why not? Of course, that's only a good idea if the EV-30 actually works with the Atomic. Maybe the other option is two single expression pedals that are reasonably priced.
     
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    Roland EV-5 works fine, it’s cheap and it’s lasted a year for me with no signs of wear or failing. Thinking of getting a second one to get more creative. I’ve assigned it to wah, whammy, reverb mix and amp gain so far and I’ve learnt some “best practices” along the way. Next I want to mess around with Phaser rate and depth so I can play with TOOL style lead breaks.
    @Slartibartfarst42 when you get one we can help you set it up. Your name makes me giggle btw.
     
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    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    The thing I really love about this forum is how incredibly helpful everyone is, especially to an old fart like me with virtually no technical ability or understanding. I've chopped and changed all sorts of gear over the years but these days I rarely look at gear because my playing revolves around a handful of essentials that I have zero interest in changing:

    PRS guitars
    Creamery pickups
    Elixir strings
    Dunlop Jazz III carbon picks
    Atomic AmpliFire
    Laney IRT-X

    My absolute reliance and faith in these core products is partly why I want an expression pedal; the Atomic gives me so much that I just want to use it more and not rely on any external effects. I think this is also why I keep badgering Jace to simplify the effects on the Atomic as at the moment I am pretty much entirely reliant on using other people's effects settings because i have no clue how most of the settings work or what they mean.

    My name 'Slartibartfarst' is from 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' for anyone who doesn't get the reference. He was a cool guy who helped to make planets like Earth and won an award for Norway. He liked doing the crinkly bits around fjords! The number 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything. Read the books, listen to the radio series or watch the BBC TV series but don't bother with the movie, which really didn't do it justice. I tried to get my wife to call our first son either Slartibartfarst, Zaphod Beeblebrox or Zarquan from the books but she wouldn't allow me that one little indulgence. Some women!
     
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    Totally agree!
     
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    Replying to both NelsonP and Slartibartfast (and I too am an old fart, and I got your screen-name reference immediately):
    I never got the EV-30 to work properly with the AF12. My thought was that I could use the EV-30 to control 2 different effects, NOT at the same time, by switching one or the other of the effect blocks on or off. For example, I'd use one of the AF12 control switches to toggle between WAH On/VOL Off and WAH Off/VOL On. WAH would be controlled by Expression 1, VOL by Expression 2, and each expression input would be fed by one of the 2 EV-30 outputs. It never worked right, even though the cabling was straightforward, and I am reasonably competent in programming the AF12. I ended up continuing to use 2 EV-5 expression pedals, which have worked flawlessly for me for years.

    Good luck, I hope you can find a working solution.
    - Tom Hyzy
     
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    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    What you were trying to do seems to make sense so I can't think why it wouldn't work. It's a shame it wouldn't as it would be a useful way of controlling things. Would it do two effects simultaneously for you or just not work at all? I did wonder about getting two EV-5 pedals like you and placing them close together so that I had the option of either using them individually or at the same time. I'm not sure how practical that would be though as it was just an idle thought.
     
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    What you were trying to do seems to make sense so I can't think why it wouldn't work. It's a shame it wouldn't as it would be a useful way of controlling things. Would it do two effects simultaneously for you or just not work at all? I did wonder about getting two EV-5 pedals like you and placing them close together so that I had the option of either using them individually or at the same time. I'm not sure how practical that would be though as it was just an idle thought.
     
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    Logically, it should be able to control 2 effects simultaneously, one controlled by Exp1 input and one by Exp2, both swept from the EV-30 at the same time. However, I never really tried that, it wasn't my goal, so I cannot say it would work. Given my failure at getting it to work for 2 separate blocks, I can't say if your idea would work. I don't think 2 EV-5s next to one another would be practical, unless you always wanted to move both at once. Maybe I just have large feet, I couldn't do it. Good luck!
     
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    If you have limited space on your pedalboard, the Dunlop DVP4 works well!
    Don't forget to order a TRS patch cable to connect it to your Amplifire, a normal patch cable doesn't work.
     
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    The music shop I usually visit in the UK do stock an EV-30 but for whatever reason (possibly because they're more expensive), they suggested either the Dunlop DVP3 or the Source Audio Soundblox Dual. The Dunlop doesn't appear to be a dual system so I'm more inclined to go with the Source Audio item. I have no idea if I'll even use the dual feature but I'd love to experiment with changing two parameters simultaneously. They tell me that both are very good choices so as the Source Audio is cheaper anyway, it might as well be that one.
     
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