Happy Holidays! New Firmware!!!

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  1. Andrei

    Andrei Well-Known Member

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    @DreamTheaterRules

    You speculate, rationalise and cherry pick when you say things like "Atomic is a small company, therefore ...", "Atomic spent all their time time on X, therefore ...", "Fractal prices are higher, therefore ...", "LIne6 have more employees, therefore...", etc.

    Please consider one example:
    Line6, being a large corporation, has a lot more costs (third section) than a small company like Atomic. How come then, that the price of the Helix LT is only ~50 pounds more than the AA12 considering that:
    A) Atomic only has a handful of employees
    B) Helix LT offers more expensive (hardware and software) features like: more amp models and effects, a multitrack audio interface, an expression pedal, more I/O, capacitive controls and switches, more complex firmware and editor, online preset exchange application, better customer support features and finally more feature/bugfix updates.

    The answer is in that article that explains how prices are decided and it is pretty logical and obvious.

    My point is that Atomic is not your little friendly, corner shop owner that offers you free candies so please spare me of apologies and explanations on their behalf.

    :cool: P.S. I am totally entitled to ask for value, especially from a small, boutique and expensive company like Atomic, thank you very much! :cool:
     
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  2. DreamTheaterRules

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    What service did you need that you didn't get?
     
  3. DreamTheaterRules

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    OF course you can say whatever you want. This is the internet! And yes, I'll spare you the apologies and explanations for a company I have no affiliation with. :) Peace
     
  4. NelsonP

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    A big company enjoys economies of scale which give it many advantages when it comes to price.

    It has broader distribution and will shift more boxes as a result. Fixed costs such as development, cap ex etc can be shared out amongst this higher number of units.

    They also have a scale advantage when it comes to procurement so can buy materials at better prices.

    And they can push retailers to accept lower margins, at least to some extent.

    So all else being equal you'd expect a big company to be able to beat a small company on price.

    As a result they can offer better service, support, additional features etc whilst still keeping the prices competitive.

    They may also choose to drop prices to squeeze competitors out. This may be why helix LT (original rrp of £999) is now retailing at c. £750.

    But then nothing below £1000 sounds as good as the amplifire. And there's value in the quality of the basic product too.
     
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    I currently own an AX8 and last year wanted a smaller pedal as a backup. I bought the AA3.
    While I loved the amp models, I found myself not liking the design of the effects loop/expression pedal.
    While the AA12 solves all that, it really isn't that much smaller than the AX8.
    Sadly, I sold the AA3 and decided to wait for the AFB. I think I was the first to receive one here in Montreal.
    Love the pedal and the firmware update now includes echo. I have nothing but praise for Atomic and although the AX8 is still my primary device, the AFB is mostly lent out as friends have been loving this as a stomp box to go with their Fractal or other rigs.
    I am more than pleased with what Atomic has done and being a long time user of Roland gear, I can speak volumes about rarely updating their products and are probably the kings of testicular suckage.
    Now to find a way to get my hands on an Atomic CLR wedge....!
     
  6. Andrei

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    https://www.andertons.co.uk/atomic-...e-(needs-to-be-double-packed)-actclrwedge-neo ?
     
  7. NelsonP

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    The editor is garbage and not very user friendly. Not to mention it’s been in beta for a year now.
     
  9. lespauled

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    Sorry, but the editor is NOT garbage. It's pretty good actually.
     
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    That’s definitely your opinion
     
  11. Dan Andrews

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    Its my opinion as well , I agree with lespauled. Very easy to use , much easier than Kemper, now that editor is garbage. What a bunch of whiners , I have been using amps since Acoustic 150's were 'the' amp, with marshall's in between , 5150's etc. I have used Kemper with top jimi patches etc. the AA3 is just incredible , for $600 you cant touch it. I use it at gigs and for recording. I cant believe the people complaining , OMG they havent added anything yet... lol If you bought it because you DIDNT like it or thought it was just ok , but hoped they would add an amp you wanted , thats ridiculous. What exactly do you need??? They have Fender , Marshall , BE100 , 5150 , Dumble....Staples of the indusrtry and effects, and you want a orange tiny terror?? They will update when they update , just sell it and buy something else , maybe a kemper at only $1400 more , and please stop whining.
     
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    I haven't had a problem using it on a 10 year old laptop.

    So again, it works like what I paid for. There are more "GREAT tones per dollar" in this than any other digital device. I love most of it or I wouldn't have bought it. I would like to have several upgrades, but don't feel "entitled" to them since I already have what I paid for.
     
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  13. facefirst

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    Man, some of you get your panties in a bunch when someone insults your precious modeler. For real, some of you need to sack up and stop taking things so serious.
     
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    You're right it's ridicilous the latest firmware have been BETA the last year but that's just changing the name of the firmware I guess.

    I do really like the editor. It's very logic and userfriendly IMO. It annoys me though that you can only import one Ir at a time.
     
  15. Andrei

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    Like @facefirst mentioned, it's not like people say that the AA is a pos so I don't understand why some persons are so defensive here. The point is that small annoyances, like yours, add up and it would be super cool and extra appreciated if someone listened to these complaints.
     
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  16. Andy

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    I found the beta firmware not usable (that’s why is beta) I found some bugs that forced me to downgrade to the last official one, not a big issue because I didn’t found nothing indispensable in the beta.

    I understand the focus of the company on AFB, it’s crucial, because if AFB don’t succeed, forget about any further firmware update for any AF device. But obviously I wish to get further upgrades and I strongly believe they should came soon, because there will be happy users of AFB interested in upgrading to AF3 or AF12, and it’s not a clever move to not, at least, fix the existing bugs, unless you are planning to discontinue them.

    I don’t get why it’s such a problem for people see that others are waiting for upgrades, independently of their reasons to wish that. We live in a world were electronic devices are regularly upgraded (smartphones, Laptops, chromecasts, watches, cars, other modelers, etc.) and when they don’t have upgrades is because they are obsolete or close to, and their lose value. Maybe it’s not the same case, but certanly it’s closer than a compariso with a valve amp made with 100 years old technology.

    I feel obvious that in this context there will be people concerned about upgrades, considering the fact that this added value it’s mentioned in the product web page and the nature of the technology involved in the product.

    Peace for all dudes, everyone has different expectations and if their are in this forum is because they want to make a better use of their gear, get improvements, etc wishing that this product and company evolves and succeed.

    Cheers,

    Andy
     
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  17. lespauled

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    My "issue" was that you couldn't demo a patch without loading it onto the AA. The editor was pretty good. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch, and I am not defending my precious modeler. Just stating a fact.

    If you're so bent out of shape about it, just sell it, and buy something else. It's really that simple.
     
  18. Andrei

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    Some people are mediocre that way ... why want anything from life when you could not live and not have to go through all that?
     

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