Is the reverb being looked at?

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  1. Clint Martin

    Clint Martin Senior Member

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    The decay, and trails could use some tweaks.
     
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    ...as reported in detail back here:
    http://atomicamps.com/forum/index.php?threads/updated-reverbs-anomaly.1404
    Guessing these will be dealt with at the same time as the bugs that needed fixing in the previous firmware.

    I understand the recent firmware was just the addition of the new pitch effect.
    Still not sure why the known bugs (albeit, bugs that can be avoided, if you know what they are) got put on hold.

    I’ve not updated yet and have no plans to as, not requiring a pitch-effect, i have nothing to gain for my current live-use.
     
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    The decay is the thing that makes pretty much everything but the spring useless to me.
     
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    @Clint Martin, are you usually running stereo? If you run mono how do you choose whether to use L or R as this will have an affect or the reverb tail.
     
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    I have a mono rig and a stereo rig...I'll have to experiment with the left and right.
     
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    For mono the reverb width is turned to zero. I use the left output, but global is still set to stereo. I can't hear a difference either way with that.
    The thing with the decay is I have the spring set to 85%, which would normally be around 25%.
    The other reverbs have a noticable delay effect that cannot be dialed out.
     
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    I know what you mean. I also run mono 99% of the time but have the outputs set to stereo, like yourself.
    I find the summing artifacts of setting outputs to mono less appealing.
    I forgot about the width parameter so might be worth revisiting. Thanks for reminding me.
     
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    Wish: GRANTED.
     
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    What does that mean?

    Any chance there is a complete list somewhere of what's in 6.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1?

    :)
     
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    As per the readme:

    “What’s new:

    • More accurate speaker cabinet loading algorithm for all amp models. Be advised, this may subtly effect the sound and feel of your presets Keep this in mind if you are close to a gig, recording session or any situation where you relying on your presets to sound identical.

    • Arkhan amp model – based on the lead channel of the PRS Archon

    • SLO amp model – reworked to be more accurate to our new in house specimen.

    • Fixed bug in reverb that was causing tails to be truncated

    • Resolved footswitch bug causing an issue assigning the pitch effect

    • Solved preset manager crash bug occurring on certain system configurations”

    Not bad, at all!
     
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    Excellent, thanks!
     
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    Looks like a great update. Wish I was home to try it.
     
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    Nerd alert!! Going to have a geeky moment here as I've done some tests on the v6.1.1 reverbs...

    Reverbs still do not all have balanced stereo decays. I appreciated there should be some difference between L&R to give a sense of space and depth but the "large", "plate" and "cavern" have some noticeable panning artefacts, as was found in v5.0.3
    Again, this may be intentional but care must be taken where you use these reverbs in stereo or where there is a chance you take one side only, in stereo mode, and leaving the choice of L/R to chance.
    @Clint Martin suggested reducing the "width" parameter which is a great workaround. Switching the device-output mode to mono does a similar thing but the summing raises the output level several dB.
    Here's some images of the delay tails of all the v6.1.1 reverbs:
     

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    Before anyone says so, I know you should judge with your ears, not your eyes, so here's the audio of the above images:
     
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    Good work. I suggested your presets to a guy on the gear page the other day.
    The reverbs are better. I can at least get to where I want with them now.
     
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    Having a quick play further, comparing the spring reverb v5 to the spring reverb v6 i'm having to reduce the spring-reverb level by about 20dB and the decay by 5% on my presets to get to to match my v5 levels. It does sound fuller and more detailed, though in a band-mix this will go uncredited.

    comparing the others:
    small and medium sounds better- smoother tails
    large- still a disliked panning effect on the tails
    spring2 - didnt notice any significant changes
    plate- maybe a touch smoother? still has the "lean to one side" sound like large and cavern.
    cavern- like large: ER panned R, tail panned L

    Not sure if the smoothness i perceive in the above is a result of the reverbs, part of the reworked cab algorithm, side-effects of the various channels on my desk or just psychological?
     
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    Can you mugs post a couple good reverb settings for me.... I believe I was struggling with some of the things you're talking bout as I'm going mono into my CLR but stereo into the board at church. I had to use a lot of width to get any depth on large reverb types. Or should I be set Mono out for a global setting to set them up. Got some presets dialed in with expression which will come in real handy.

    Maybe a couple echo's as well ;)
     
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    Maybe headphones for setup to get my stereo sound dialed in. o_O
     
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    Mugs?? i guess that stands for Master Unbeatable Guitar Specialist ??o_O

    Seriously, i think @Clint Martin suggestion was easiest solution to use dual left or dual right, at least that way you know you have a reverb that is the same both sides.
    Unfortunately, with things as they are, it means all of your lush stereo sound wont be delivered to the audience (those sat in the middle at least)
    Alternatively, and will take a bit longer, find a reverb without the unbalanced L/R artefacts and adjust to get the closest results.
    I look forward to the reverbs being fixed soon....
     
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    flcmcya Senior Member

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    Perfect acronym..... wish I fell into that catagory Slate!

    What are you referring to as dual left or right? Is that panning?

    I was jacking around with a bunch of width to get a reasonable sound ...then realized I was only hearing half! :confused:
     

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