Issue controlling FS2,FS3 on AA6 using midi

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    Hi am using a rocktron midi raider to turn on and off FS2 and FS3 . I am also using it to control turning on effects in the chain and that is working fine sending a value of 127 and 0 for on/off. With the same setting used on the FS2/3 it won't switch unless I do two foot presses for both on and off ? . So I had a play around with the values I was sending for on and off and what I discovered was it only works when the value is over 64. More strangely if you send 64 it comes on ,65 off ,66 on and so on up to 127 .So it seems like something is wrong with the units midi implementation for the "FS" midi control . All other midi controls work fine like tap tempo and other general switching.

    Any thoughts on this but looks like a bug to me
    cheers Rik
     
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    Hi,
    AFAIK the Footswitches are only be triggered as toggle,from the manual page 63:" For TAP TEMPO and
    FOOTSWITCH continous controls, the Data value is ignored and any message is interpreted as a "press" of
    that function.
    HTH and kind regards
    Alex
     
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    Is this only an issue for FS2 and FS3? Do the other FS act the same way?
    What do you have assigned to turn on/off with FS2 and FS3?
    Can the Rocktron MIDI Raider send multiple CC values per foot switch to turn multiple effect on/off?
     
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    I have the assignment for FS2 and FS3 the same as for all the other cc which work e.g Off 0 ON 127
    I have not tried the FS1 but will have a go

    from the manual
    DATA VALUES between 0 and 63 are interpreted as OFF, and DATA VALUES between 64 and 127 are interpreted as ON.
    This is not what is happening for FS2,FS3

    I will try setting the default cc number and see if that makes any difference
     
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    yes I think the rocktron can send complex messages systex etc but I have not tried it for my uses
     
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    As i wrote in my first post, only toggle...this means if FS 2 is already on a Midi cc14 will switch it off...next cc14 will switch it on again and so on.
    You can`t send an absolute state for these.
    May i ask why do you want to control the Footswitches?

    Alex
     
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    ok right now I see what you mean now .Well the great thing about footswitches is you can do complex switching ,so if I wanted to switch an effect on and the boost off and the compressor on I can do that with a single footswitch. So from a midi perspective I just want to be have that from a single switch The trouble is because it does not recognize high and low controller values is that the atomics foot switches are turned on as soon as I move to that program via the midi controller. So often I have the FS set as a special lead sound turning on multiple FXs as soon as you move to that program those patches are turned on and then I have to turn them off again every time. Why on earth did they not make it like every other cc ? I mean I can understand the tap tempo its always on/off it doesn't need a number.
    Like most midi controllers when you change program the pedal send the current stat of all cc in the program slot. So for all other cc its send "0" so nothing is activated. For the FS switches it is instantly turned on I think this is a bug as it makes the FS controls via midi useless ?
    Thanks for your help I suppose I can raise this in the futures change request chat.
     
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    If your MIDI input channel on the AmpliFIre is set to OMNI, instead select a specific MIDI channel on both units and try it.
    Try a few different MIDI channels and see if you get the same result.
    Also, if you're not using MIDI clock set it to OFF.
    I'll try to test this issue as soon as I can.
    I assumed that you were trying to turn on/off multiple effects by triggering the footswitch on/off via MIDI.
    So my question is can you send the same multiple on/off messages to multiple MIDI CC numbers from the Rocktron
    instead?
     
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    • ok will try your suggestions ,its set to OMNI at the moment ,will check the clock setting
    • yes correct trying to control multiple pedals from the FS
    • Will consult the manual for the rocktron you can send some quite complex messages will have to dive into the manual I didn't think of that option could be a work around although it would mean having to do it for each patch /each song.
    Cheers !
     
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    ok
    • tried changing to single midi channel as opposed to OMNI - no change in behaviour
    • changed the cc number for FS2/3 to the same one in the manual - no change in behaviour
    • I noticed that once you moved to new program and then triggered the cc for FS3 a single press works and turns on the FS. After that you have to press twice on the midi controller cc pedal to turn on or off. The first time only needs one press - so inconsistent behaviour . I would also note I was sending value 127 / 0
    • I repeated the above this time sending 0/0 values as per some previous comment the FS should not need any values . This time nothing happens at all ?? - behaviour not the same as documented
    • I then change the values from 0 up to 64 and tried again nothing till you reach 64 as a value for that cc. And as stated before 65 value turns off ,66 on ,67 off etc etc . As per above again the first press it turns on then after that needs two presses for further on or off operations
    • The midi raider can send multiple cc changes (up to 5) but this is associated with programs. At the moment the midi board is configured like stomp boxes each pedal sending separate cc per FX .To use the (x5 cc option) I would have to reconfigure each pedal as a program which would work but would take some considerable effort.
    In summary this is a bug IMO the midi implementation does not behave properly even when sending no values as per the manual.The double press thing is also weird ? PS Thanks for everyones comments so far !!!
     
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    Thank you for the details.
    I'll look in to this further.
    Sorry for the inconvenience.
    Jace
     
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    hi did any thing come of this ? will it be fixed in a future release at some stage ?
     
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    I have verified this issue. It is now on the bug list.
    We will try to get an update out to fix that when we can.
    Jace
     

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