Noise Gate issue with Loop and Digitech Drop

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  1. Wickedmao

    Wickedmao Member

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    Setup:
    I run a Digitech Drop in the loop of my AA12, so I can easily switch from a clean patch with normal tune to a heavy patch with the Drop engaged.

    Issue:
    Loop before the amp:
    Loop in position 1: introduces noise even with Noise Gate engaged, but the signal is good
    Loop in position 2: introduces noise even with Noise Gate engaged, but the signal is good
    Loop in position 3: introduces noise even with Noise Gate engaged, but the signal is good
    Loop after the amp:
    Loop in position 4: introduces less noise noise, but the signal loose a lot of quality
    Loop in position 5: introduces less noise noise, but the signal loose a lot of quality

    This forces me to keep the Loop in position 4 or 5 and loose quality, but I keep the signal noise free.
    Having a movable Gate block will solve the problem I guess.

    Cheers from Italy.
     
  2. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Hello,
    You might try some different cables with your FX loop.
    You could have a bad one that is causing the noise.
    Also check the power supply for your Drop pedal.
    That might be causing some noise too.
    As far as the loop position goes, I would think you'd want that
    "before" the amp for better tone and playability.
    Cheers,
    Jace
     
  3. Wickedmao

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    Already tried with many cables, the problem is still there, only goes away when the loop is in 4 or 5 routing position, but I'll try again.
    Power supply is a 1spot which powers both the AA12 and the Drop, but the problem was there even by using 2 power suppliers.
    I even put a hum cancelling device in the loop along with the Digitech Drop.
    Issue is the same on my guitar player's AA12 too.

    Please Jace, develop a Drop Tune block on the AA12 :)
     
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    The digitech drop should be the first pedal in your chain, right after your tuner, before it hits the AA
     
  5. Wickedmao

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    I know it very well, but I can't tap dance on a Digitech Drop.... I go from clean sound in Drop B to heavy sound in Drop F# in the same song, I don't always use it... you can undrestand I can't tap and change the tune while I'm playing....
    When I had the Pod this was not an issue at all, I simply moved the Gate block after the Loop where the Drop was.
     
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    No one? Please? :)
     
  7. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Wickedmao,
    There is no way to move the Gate block on the AmpliFire.
    I can't really think of any other way to deal with a noisy pedal in the loop.
    I wish I could be of more help.
    Jace
     
  8. Wickedmao

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    I know there's no way to move the Gate block, maybe could you guys consider to make it movable on the next update?
    I guess it will be extremely helpfull for many cases.
     
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    Why does the drop have to be in the loop? I run my pitchfork ahead of the AA12.
     
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    Exactly what I do. There is no reason for it to be in the loop.
     
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    As already replied, I need the Drop to be in the loop, since I change tuning during the same song, I can't finish a clean part, press the Drop and make the people ear the tuning changeing, then press the distortion patch.... got it?

    If I would use it song by song is obvious I could keep it in front, but imagine you have a clean patch, press the Drop and then press the distortion patch, and vice versa.........
     
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    Gotcha. I'll try to reproduce this with my 12 and the pitchfork on the weekend (can't afford to tear down before rehearsal). This is definitely an edge case, but it's one that's valid.
     
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    Edit: Yeah, I'd love a pitch block please pretty pleeeease?
     
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    why is the Digitech Drop tune in the loop? are you trying to trigger it for certain parts of the song, example the octave setting?
     
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    Hi there, sorry for the late answer, but I sold my AA12 and got myself an Helix LT.
    Yes, I use the digitech drop within the same song to change the tuning from the verse to the chorus (for example).
    My band wrote 2 albums on 7 strings in drop F#, and the 3rd album is going to be on 6 strings in Drop B, but in order to play the old songs we need a pedal to drop from the Drop B to the Drop F#. We set the Digitech Drop to 5 half steps down, wich brings exactly where we want to be on Heavy parts, and get back to Drop B for the clean parts.
     
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    k- so I put my pitchfork in the loop of my aa, and it's quiet if it's ahead of the compressor. If it's behind the amp, I need to tweak the noise gate, but I still get it dead quiet.

    I'd like you to (a) recheck the cables, (b) recheck the power and (c) check your guitar - Mine are dead quiet at idle in all cases. I also have a drop on it's way so I'll try to reproduce this again, but I don't expect to have any issues.

    A firmware update isn't going to solve a problem you're having due to other issues. Let's start diagnosing things.

    Can you send me the patch that's noisy and I'll try it with your settings this weekend?
     
  17. Wickedmao

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    Cables are ok, power is ok, guitar is ok, the issue is the AA12 loop, anything connected to the Return starts a noise.

    Thank you very much for your interest, but I solved all my problems with an Helix LT, I already sold my AA12.
    No hard feelings, Helix simply suits my needs better.

    Cheers.
     
  18. mollydyer

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    Too bad Wickedmao. Best of luck with the Helix. It doesn't matter what you use, as long as you rock.

    For anyone reading this in the future -

    I'm not able to reproduce this, with both the drop and the pitchfork *in the loop*, and the noise gate on it's dead quiet. I would have been suspicious of either the pedal or the power, but I can't further diagnose.
     
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    I'm using the exact same cables, power and guitar now with the Helix, dead silent without gates.
    My Aa12, anything connected to the Return jack started a noise, even a turned on noise gate.
    Guess it was the jack itself at this point.
     
  20. mollydyer

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    9/10 for me, noise is a byproduct of dirty power. I keep the AA isolated.
     

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