Rack effects units in AmpliFire loop

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  1. reentune

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    I placed a Boss SE-70 in the effects loop of the AA12.

    I played around with the send and return levels on the AA, but it was overloading the SE's input.
    The red meter lights pretty well stayed lit.

    Is the loop on the AmpliFire too hot for rack gear?

    I understand that adding the outboard effects is a bit redundant/unnecessary, but the SE-70 just sounds so great, and I can use it in stereo. I was hoping there'd be s parallel "blend" option.

    For instance, I use the SE-70 in mono in the loop of an Xotic X-Blender, with the X-Blender in the amp's loop, which enables me to get the proper amount of "wet to dry."

    Was hoping to achieve the same (in stereo) with the SE-70 and the AA12.

    But, again, it was coming in too hot. Sounded pretty great, though.

    Anyone doing anything similar and succeeding? It's likely I'm just slightly ignorant.
    So maybe someone farther along could enlighten me.
     
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    JoeInOttawa Senior Member

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    You have a fair bit of control over the send/return levels of your AA12 -- on both the pedal and in software, if memory serves. On the pedal, I'm pretty sure there is a Loop menu with those options. Not sure what to tell you about parallel vs. serial, but I *MAY* have seen that as a setting as well. @Jace Nuzback would know for sure, or you could just fire it up and see what you see. But the volume, at least, is there.
     
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    There are two things to adjust on the old SE-70.
    First there is a level switch that allows you to switch between -20 and +4.
    This should be set to -20.
    There is also a dual concentric input level knob on the front panel.
    You should start with this all the way down and turn it up slowly until you see the clip lights,
    then back it off a bit.
    On the AA12 start with the send and return levels at 0dB.
    Turn the send level down slowly if the SE-70 is clipping with its input knob down
    all the way until you no longer see the clip lights.
    If you are still clipping the input set to level switch on the back of the SE-70 to +4.
    Then adjust the input level knob and the send level of the AA12 again.
    The AA12 FX Loop can be set to series or parallel.
    It sounds like you want to use it in parallel.
    When you do this, the loop return level will control the amount of
    SE-70 effects mixed in with the AA12.
    In the SE-70 you'll need to set the FX mix to 100% wet.
    I don't know if the SE-70 has the parameter or not.
    If it doesn't, then you should use the AA12 FX loop in SERIES
    and adjust the return level of the loop to taste.
    There is an EFFECTS OFF MODE in the utilities menu that needs to be set to MUTE.
    This is so if you bypass the effects ON the SE-70 the dry signal will not come through.
    You would do better to assign a foot switch on the AA12 to turn the FX Loop on/off.
    Set the FX loop to MUTE SEND. So when you bypass the loop it stops sending signal to the SE-70,
    but the reverb/delay effects will decay naturally and still return.
     
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    Well, I had everything set up correctly...except the +4 switch.
    I assumed if it was overloading at -20, then it had to overload even more at +4.
    Now I can't even seem to make it clip no matter how high I set the SE-70's levels.
    Who woulda thunk?

    I appreciate the assistance. I knew it had to me my own human error.

    Also, the SE-70 sounds so much better through AmpliFire than it did through my amps (maybe I need to switch that one to +4 too...did I mention I have two SE-70s—and two AmpliFires?). Settings that produced little effect through the amp are clear and strong and effect-y in the AmliFire.

    And, man, is that 1993 tech great-sounding. There aren't any fancy new stompboxes I've heard at any price that comes close to the SE-70. That thing goes deep. It pairs well with the Amplifire, for sure.
     
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