Tone tips

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  1. Metropolis

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    Thanks for the advice, sometimes it's hard to hear or feel what to do in certain parts of signal chain, especially with modelers. I was using it wrong way with default settings and adding too much low mids in the cab section.
     
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    Thanks for all your input Jace. It's been extremely helpful. I'll know where to look first now if my stage sound is overly bright.
     
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    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    This sort of advice is always VERY welcome. I always find parametric EQ's extremely confusing as i have no idea at all what to set the different frequencies to so for the most part, I can't use them. Any help I can find is always welcome.

    I'd also appreciate some advice on how to use the Delay and Chorus effects as there are a lot of parameters I can adjust that mean nothing to me. Unfortunately the manual doesn't help because for a lot of it, it might as well be written in Greek as I don't understand the terms. If you can give some instruction on how to use Delay, Chorus and Compression, that would help me more than you could ever realise. I know that these three effects can be used to get tones like Dave Gilmour, Carlos Santana and a lot of 80's Metal but I have no idea how to use them to get there!
     
  4. Yeah

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    I’ve been messing with the PRE EQ on and off since I got the AA6 a couple months ago. The one thing that seems odd to me is that whenever I try to setup the PRE to cut mud it ends up cutting gain. I’m using the high gain amp models. Sometimes it sounds and feels like theres a lot of gain that gets cut almost like I’m turning off an over drive. I’ve tried various setting for peaking , the 2 different low shelf and it’s even worse if I try the high pass. I never had this happen before with other modelers that I’ve had and still have. The EQ usually just changes....the gain never sounds or feels lowered like I turned off an OD or boost.

    I tried reflashing and resetting the unit but that didn’t help. Are there older versions of the firmware available to DL?

    I also have tried many other presets out there and I always have the same problem with any preset that has the PRR setup.
     
  5. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    I'll try to put something together for you in the near future.
    Jace
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Because the PRE EQ is "before" the amp model, if you lower the level of the EQ then you are indeed lowering the input level feeding the amp model. Thus lower gain levels. If you just use the LOWCUT parameter instead of using the full EQ section than you should get rid of the mud and hardly see any level reduction at all. However you can ALSO set the PRE EQ Type to GAIN ONLY. With this setting only the LEVEL parameter of the EQ will function and you can just turn it up to send a hotter signal to the Amp Model.
    Jace
     
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    Jace,
    When you use only the Lowcut which setting do you choose for PRE EQ Type?
     
  8. dmock66

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    I've used the GAIN ONLY and left everything else at zeroes.
     
  9. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    It doesn't matter.
    The LOWCUT is separate from the rest of the PRE EQ.
    Sometimes I'll set the TYPE to PEAKING (which is a parametric EQ) and boost
    just a bit of 2kHz to add some bite before the amp.
     
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    Here’s something I found a while back on TGP that I’ve found helpful:

    Matticus:
    @StudioDevil I've read different things about whether the mid knob for amps that don't normally have amid knob (e.g., AC30, DR) should be set at 5.0 or 10.0 to replicate normal behavior. any comment?

    StudioDevil:
    you want to keep them at max (10.0)
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Good info!
    Jace
     
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    No matter what I do, I can't dial out the digital grit/fizz on any of the clean amps. Even with the guitar volume rolled down, or with just barely hitting the strings, I still get a little. If I hit it hard, it's a fizzy mess that will dissipate somewhat as the sustain decays. I followed your directions in the original post, but nothing quite works. What do I need to do to get an absolute clean sound?
     
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    @Jace Nuzback thanks so much for this guide! I took the recto patch I've been liking with my 7-string Chapman guitar, tweaked as per your recommendations and now it has serious muscles. The damping (I went hard left) and cab roll-off made huge positive differences to the sound. The Zilla SFB IRs by Milos Berka (particularly the Neumann/Creamback pairing) on the Amplifire Facebook page are also well worth spending time with.
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    I'm so glad you found it helpful!
    Cheers,
    Jace
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Just bumping this up so more people can see it.
    Jace
     
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    Any chance today’s thread bumping is in anticipation of a new software release coming just in time for the weekend? :D
     
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    Does the cab section react to the input level it gets from the amp or it doesn't matter as long as it's not clipping? E.g. If I have a preset with gain and master at 8, should I lower the level on the cab section?
    Cheers,
     

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