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  1. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter.
    The only time you really need to boost the LEVEL in the CAB block is if you're using a very low output CAB IR file.
    Other than that, use the AMP level parameter to match preset levels.
     
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    could the amp level affect the input of effects after it though? certainly if you're using compression after an amp it would have an impact. could it clip or increase noise for chorus, flange, etc.? will it impact the amount of reverb generated?
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Absolutely.
     
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    Thanks... so based on that, I've been operating under the belief that really it's better to use the CAB level rather than the AMP level to be absolutely sure everything stays relative. I'm OCD about such things :)
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Certainly nothing wrong with that approach.
     
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    If you will ALWAYS use cab modeling with headphones, FRFR or going into a PA, sure.

    If you will ever plug into a cab with cab modeling off, even for monitoring, you would want the levels matched before the CAB block. You can do that in the amp model, in an EQ block, or in some of the other blocks.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    If the metal zone is supposed to work well with a stand-alone power amp (like into the return of an amp) then wouldn't he want to load up one of Amplifiere's power amp simulations, and send the Metal zone into that? That would mean just sending the pedal to the input.
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    You can certainly use one of the power amp models this way.
    You'd still want to put the pedal in front of the AmpliFire.
     
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    Jace's tips in the OP were very helpful for my first 2 weeks dialing in sounds on my new AA6. One thing I've found is that the "amp damping" setting has a really big impact on getting a good tone into an outboard guitar power amp and cab. I leave power amp and Ir's enabled on the mains, going out to my power amp/cabs but I've found that having "amp damping" set to 0%
     
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    ...Does what?!? Is it good, is it bad?!? The suspense is killing me!!!!!

    ;):D
     
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    Any internal discussion about adding level in the cab block of that amplifirebox? Seems like a strange omission; even the manual refers to it
     
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    Haha sorry to leave you hanging. What I was failing at saying is that the damping below low seems to really improve the sound of the amp model when going into a power amp and cab. Sounds less like a "modeled" tone coming out of guitar speakers, and more like a real amp.
     
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    Jace, I was following these tips this weekend with great results but I couldn't figure out what parameter you were referring to above. I have the AA6.. should I set this up for the Peaking? It defaults to gain I believe but I don't have it in front of me. When I changed it by default "gain" it didn't seem to do anything. Then again I've used all my presets so they may have had parameters set.

    Is there a way to clear a preset back to default with nothing in it?
     
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    I'm referring to the PRE effect block.
    See the attached image.
    You can see the LOW CUT parameter in the bottom left.
    With the LEVEL parameter value set to 0dB, you're not
    boosting or cutting any other frequencies.
    Just use the LOW CUT parameter.
    Jace
     

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    I see.. I was thinking I had to select a type to make it work. I didn't realize it would work on its own. Thanks!
     
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    Jace, would you recommend adjusting the damping parameter if I am using the power amp models with an external pre-amp pedal?
     
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    Absolutely!
    Jace
     
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    Totally agree with this one, my amplifire started to shine only once I discovered the damping parameter and lowered the values or even set it to zero for some presets. This got rid of the "blanket over my amp" effect.
     

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