AF6 pitch shifting drop tuning demo

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  1. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Guys,
    Here's a link to a quick recording I did to demo the drop tuning feature
    of the new pitch shifting block.
    It's a real basic metal metal riff.
    I start with the pitch shifting off.
    Then turn it on, but at unison tuning.
    Then I drop down a half step each time I repeat the riff.
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Nice Jace, Thanks for sharing. When I get the time,will check that feature out.
     
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    Nice demo Jace!
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Simple and to the point.
    Jace
     
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    Could you please give a tip to get me started on setting this up. When I looked at the module, the parameters were confusing to me.
    Thank you
     
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    Yep, I'm waiting for someone to make a good tutorial video or something.
     
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    Nicely done.

    Feel free to post your settings.
     
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    Hi folks. I hate it when people say this to me but it is all in the new manual on pages 29-33.

    To get started with a basic pitch shift like Jace has above, go to the pich shift block:
    Mode = Pitch shifter
    Pitch shift 1 = set this to whatever value you want to shift the pitch by (try detuning it a few steps, it sounds good!)
    Pitch Mix 1 = 100%
    Pitch shift 2 = just leave it at unity for now
    Pitch mix 2 = 0%
    Pitch dry mix = 0%

    You can then detune in half steps by just changing the pitch shift 1 parameter.
     
    Jace Nuzback and crunch like this.
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    Thank you Nelson. What is the use of the pitch shift 1 and 2? Is it to create a two-note chord, for example if you play scale degree 1, a 3rd could be automatically created (only for example).
     
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    Yes, that's right. The pitchshifter has 2 different 'voices' - pitch shift 1 and pitch shift 2. You can then blend these with the dry signal to get a huge range of different possible effects.

    Try :
    Pitch shift 1 at -12 (one octave down) , pitch shift 1 volume 100%
    Pitch shift 2 at +12 (one octave up), pitch shift 2 volume at 100%
    Pitch dry mix at 100%
    It will sound huge.

    There is a ton of other stuff you can try. EHX pitchfork come with the following DUAL mode presets and you can easily replicate these using the approach above:
    M2 up + M6 up
    M3 up + P5 up
    P4 up + P5 down
    P5 up + 1 Oct down
    M6 up + P5 down
    m7 up + M6 up
    1 Oct up + 1 Oct down
    2 Oct up + 1 Oct down

    M= Major
    m = minor
    P = Perfect

    You can then blend these with the dry mix using the blend control. The pitch block in Amplifire gives you all of this and more.

    NB: If you only want one voice (e.g. one octave down) and the dry signal then just turn the volume on the other one down to zero.

    The other thing you can do is use the Whammo mode, assign an expression pedal and set it to 2 octaves up and then you can instantly become Tom Morello (at least in your own head, obviously its hard to match his chops!)

    I've not played around with the harmonizer much as that tests my scale knowledge too much.

    Hope that helps - this is all pretty new to me too as I've never use a pitch shifter before. It's a lot of fun.
     
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    Need to get some help before rehearsal tomorrow. Tried the PS to lower the pitch by a semitone according to the above tips and it works as expected but the sound cuts in and out randomly. Sounds similar to a guitar cable that is faulty.
     
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    If I set the shift to unison, it works fine but with +- any shift is unusable with cutting in and out.
     
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    What do experienced users recommend here, reload the firmware?
     
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    Hi caballero59
    Not shure,but perhaps your guitar signal is a bit weak,dull or somewhat else to get proper detected by the pitchshifter.
    You can try to change the detection point as described in the manual...

    “PITCH DETECT: (ALL modes) GUITAR INPUT or EFFECT INPUT: pitch detection is done at guitar input jack or at pitch effect block input”

    Hope that helps
    Best regards
    Alex
     
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    May have found a bug in the PS but I hope not. Try this. Set it to a simple pitch shift exactly as described above and play a double stop of the 3rd string at the 13'th fret and the 2nd string at the 12'th fret. Many other simple chords will give the same effect but this position really brings it out. What I hear is the chord followed by the sound of a herd of horses thundering off into the distance. The higher up the neck you go, the faster the thunder of hooves.
     
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    Think you are blazing the trail. Pitch block is still very new.

    It might be worth a try. But I would be surprised if that was the issue.
     
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    Reloaded the firmware. No change. I no longer perceive the problem to be cutting in and out (sputtering) but rather some very strange decay artifacts. I would be very interested if others would set up a basic pitch change and play some clean chords high on the neck and listen to the decay.
     
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    Trying the New stuff, but need help..

    I’ve just updated the Editor and Firmware, the new amps do sound very good and i’ll be going there a lot I think … and as I use Pitch shifting and Hamonizer occasionally (using H9) I got excited… but for some reason I cannot get the Pitchshifter to work … I want to set up a simple semi tone down (Eb) like Jace has done in his earlier post, so I copied that … here’s my settings for Pitchshifter:-

    Guitar Input

    Level 4

    Dry Mix 0

    Interval -1

    Mix 1 100%

    Pan 0

    Mix 2 0%

    Detune 1 at -5%

    I don’t think it matters about Key or Scale, that’s for the Hamonizer right?

    Here’s what’s weird, the Harmonizer works, and in Pitchshifter Mode I get the -5% Detune to work so i’m sure i have installed all the latest bits correctly…. BUT THE -1 INTERVAL (SEMI TONE SHIFT DOWN TO Eb) DOESN’T WORK…. aggghhhhh

    It looks so simple I can’t think what i’m doing wrong. So que pasa anyone?
     
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    Pitch shift not harmonizer.
    You need dry mix at 0%, pitch 1 at 100%, pitch 2 at 0%
    No need for detune, just set the pitch shift 1 interval at -1
     

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