Ampli-Firebox A/B setting

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  1. jzuker

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    Hi,

    Just received the unit, sounds great. But a question:
    Shouldn't the sounds you store in the A/B setting remain saved, even after unplugging power supply etc.?

    I customized the sounds for A/B (A-59' BMan for clean, B -Brit800 for dirt, Tube Screamer boost, with some 3rd party IRs, etc.) with the editor.
    When I transferred my pedalboard with the Firebox and other pedals to rehearsal, the A/B sounds were no longer the same, and I had no access to the editor (an iOS version would be awesome, btw).

    What did I do wrong?

    Thanks,

    JZ
     
  2. Jace Nuzback

    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    JZ,
    It certainly should keep your A/B settings even when you unplug it from power.
    Tell me how you set up your A/B presets and I'll let you know if you did it correctly.
    Sorry for the trouble.
     
  3. jzuker

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    No worries, I’m sure it’s pilot error. Unit sounds great.

    With the Mac editor open, I set the Firebox to A/B mode and adjusted A sound (blinking yellow) by selecting amp, ir, boost type, then tweaking.
    Switched to B (blinking red) and did same. I checked by going out of and back into A/B mode, and it did retain the settings at that point, but not after unplugging, moving, then plugging in pedalboard at rehearsal space.

    FYI, chain is: compressor, clean boost, OD pedal, volume pedal into Firebox, going out of Firebox into a delay and reverb pedal. Powered by Voodoo Lab pedal Power 2 Plus (Firebox is using one of the two 9v 250mA slots.)

    Thanks!
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Are you using the toggle switches to assign different presets to A and B?
     
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    I don’t believe that I did. I just left the switches as is, (up and up). Do I need to use them, or does the editor override them?
     
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    Okay, after playing with this further, the A/B was saved as I left it. But then I switched to enable mode (solid red light) to mess about, try different amps, cabs etc. I even went to what I thought was a different toggle switch position in enable mode. When I went back to A/B mode (I reverted to my original toggle setting), the A/B sounds were now changed. Obviously, I did something with the toggles that screwed it up.

    I guess the real question is:

    How do I try/use different amps in enable mode (solid red light) without disrupting my A/B amps and settings, etc?
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Just use the toggle switches to select any of the 9 presets in bypass mode (solid red light).
    The only way to disrupt your A/B amps and settings is to make changes in the editor to the presets assigned to A and B.
    You can always (and probably should) export your presets used for A and B so you can always reload them should
    you change them by mistake.
     
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    For some reason it isn't recalling what I've saved. I did export the presets and reimported them.
    I'm organizing my pedal board and thus plugging and unplugging pedals from the power supply, unplugging the power supply from the wall plug etc.
    Could that be messing with the memory somehow?
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    jzuker,
    I've been doing some testing on this and I understand the problem now.
    In A/B mode; the B preset is the same preset as selected in Bypass mode.
    So if you make settings in A/B mode, then go back to Bypass mode and make changes,
    your B preset will be changed.
    You shouldn't have any trouble exporting and importing presets, however knob settings
    are NOT saved with presets. So when you import your presets to 2 of the 9 toggle setting preset locations,
    you'll select these 2 presets as A and B in A/B mode, but you'll still have to dial the knobs to taste.
    Once you do this, those knob settings will be saved for A/B mode even if you turn the power off.
    But if you make any changes, you'll have to repeat this procedure.

    So, here are the steps you should follow.
    1. In bypass mode, use the Amp Style and Amp Channel toggle switches to select one of the 9 preset locations.
    2. Create the sound you'll want for your A preset in A/B mode later. Select a different amp model, EQ settings, etc.
    3. Once you have that preset the way you want it, write down your knob settings, export the preset and name it Preset A.
    4. Use the Amp Style and Amp Channel toggle switches to select a different preset location.
    5. Create the sound you'll want for your B preset in A/B mode later. Select a different amp model, EQ settings, etc.
    6. Once you have that preset the way you want it, write down your knob settings, export the preset and name it Preset B.

    You now have your presets saved and your knob settings written down.

    7. Hold the ENABLE foot switch for 3 seconds and enter A/B mode. The LED will blink yellow.
    You are now in Preset A. Use the toggle switches to select a preset location where you will import your Preset A.
    8. Import Preset A and adjust your knobs according to your notes.
    9. Press the ENABLE foot switch and the LED will blink red. You are now in Preset B. Use the
    toggle switches to select a different preset location where you will import your Preset B.
    10. Import Preset B and adjust your knobs according to your notes.

    A/B preset settings are now stored and will remain until you make changes.

    Let me know if you have any questions.
    Jace
     
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    Thanks, Jace. I think I'm getting closer. By "Bypass Mode" you mean when the Solid red LED is on, so you can select amps via toggle switches?
     
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    Yes.
    But the toggle switches are used in BOTH modes!
    Jace
     
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    Got it! Do I have to assign the toggles (amp settings) to A and B every time I go into the A/B mode?
    It should save it if not touched/altered, right?
     
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    Once you've set A and B they will stay as you set them until you make changes.
     
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    Thanks for your help, Jace.

    Last question; when you alter/tweak the sound in A/B mode will that sound be similarly altered in the corresponding toggle switch slot from which it resides (when in bypass mode)?
     
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    If you alter it in the editor, yes.
     
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    Thanks for the step by step above Jace, that's very useful.

    Is there anything that would cause the A/B settings to do a hard reset? I created A/B settings and switched between then perfectly. Next time I played the A/B settings where pretty much silent. When I plugged it into the pc to check the settings of the A/B saved presets I noted that on both A and B the amp models had changed and all the knobs were turned to zero in the software... I definitely didn't turn down all of the knobs to zero while in switching mode... did I maybe do something else to cause this?

    The actual toggle assigned presets were still fine though.

    I'm powering it with a Cioks DC10 on one of the 400ma 9v outlets and it was plugged into the board via XLR.

    Regards,

    R.
     
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    There is nothing I know of that would cause that.
    You might check the power cable that connects your AFB to your power supply.
    Or just try a different one. If the power is questionable there's no way to know
    how the unit might react. Make sure 48V phantom power is not being sent from the board
    via the XLR cable.
     
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    Just want to chime in. Mine has also "reset" itself on me once. I only use A/B mode. Had been dialing it in at home, and then took it to church to use in my pedal board. Plugged it in and had no volume. Freaked out for a small second, and then started turning knobs. Sure enough the volume (at least, didn't have access to the editor to check for sure) was turned down. Dialed everything back in and all was fine for service. Took it home and hooked up to the editor and it still had the correct amps and settings for orange and red settings. It hasn't done it again, but do cross my fingers when I plug it in now.
     
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    Hi, can I confirm something against this previous post of yours please... I was playing around tonight with configuring A/B presets... loaded each preset into a separate toggle position for each of A and B. (A was UP:UP and B was UP:MIDDLE). After setting the knobs etc (via the application) I exited A/B mode and in bypass mode set up a new preset in a separate toggle positions (UP : DOWN).

    I then wanted to compare the sound of this new preset in bypass mode (UP : DOWN) with the B saved preset. I switch pedal to A/B mode and toggled to B. All the knob settings are correctly recalled, but the Amp and Cab portions (initially configured from a present in UP:MIDDLE toggle position) were changed to what was configured in Bypass Mode in UP : DOWN toggle positions.

    Is this what you meant with the following from the quote:

    "So if you make settings in A/B mode, then go back to Bypass mode and make changes,
    your B preset will be changed."

    Am I understanding this correctly? Is this intended behavior?

    Thanks!
     
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    Yes, that is it exactly.
    Jace
     

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