Amplifire for "Shelter in Place" Headphone usage

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  1. Quadfire

    Quadfire Well-Known Member

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    How can we improve how we use the AA with headphones?

    Staying at home due to COVID-19 leads to some challenges with using our "normal" playback systems. No gigs, no practice/studio space, less time when I can crank things up through my Boogie, and perhaps more need to fill out the mix rather than cut through the mix.

    For me this leads to more time using headphones (HD650's) and the need to tweak presets for headphones. My crude approach is a wetter reverb and adjust eq. I suspect there's some nuance to this that I could learn.

    Are there any settings for the AA people would recommend adjusting for headhpone use?

    What are people doing with the AA today to make headphone use easier and better? @Jace Nuzback, any recommendations here?

    Are there a few small changes AA could make in firmware update to help us out? @Atomic Amps

    Here are some ideas (some farfetched):
    • A reverb meant to emulate a room. We might not be that far off on this?
    • An easier way to have "headphone only settings" than copy/paste of a preset to customize it for headphone use. This might be a variation of the often asked for "global settings" and "global blocks". Ideally this is a block/setting we can turn on or off in one place that works across more than one preset. Perhaps it's just a way to override or add-on reverb (perhaps eq) no matter what preset is chosen.
    • A new sonic spatializer block meant for headphone usage. Makes the stereo field more immersive and/or applies a custom IR to adjust for your headset?
    • Some hard left and right panning of something different (cabs with much more difference between the channels?)
    • Note: Please don't require use of the headphone out for the above features ... assuming any of them make sense and see the light of day. (I go into a mixer from the standard output.)
    My goal is to have the best experience for playing the guitar with headphones, not mixing (and perhaps not the usual "fit into the mix").
     
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    Interesting topic!
    Reminded me of a YouTube clip I saw on how different monitoring mediums affect the sound of our patches which I found quite helpful. I was already aware of majority of what he says but did get a few ideas from it which may also help you.
    He brings up that every speaker/headphone/room has a certain frequency response which essentially "EQ's" our patches to sound different depending on what we are listening on, & if using speakers even a room will add another layer of "EQ" changing our patch sounds.

    I too have been struggling using headphones/IEMs with my patches that are dialed in for live performance through a PA due to the EQ my headphones/IEMs add to the sound. The video really hit home that you essentially should be dialing in patches for their intended use e.g. live use will sound totally different to lower volume studio use. I also never find presets someone else has made to my liking, most seem very bright when monitored through my PA speaker at home & hence have always built my sounds from the ground up.

    I decided to try a way around making different presets of the same patch/sound to suit a scenario by instead using Parametric EQ in my mixing desk to re-compensate the EQ of my monitoring system (headphones/IEMs). You can use this link https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#245/4003 to find out the frequency response of your headphones & you basically add back in the frequencies that have been dipped & bring down the frequencies that have been boosted, kind of like a reverse version of the graph if you like. Would definitely recommend using the Q for each frequency so you match the Q of the phones frequency response as close as possible. You're basically trying to get the headphones to sound as "flat" as possible by compensating for the EQ they all have. You can then play with each frequency you've adjusted, turn each one on or off, until you are happy with the sound you get. My patches are now sounding more like they do in a live scenario & I'm now much happier with using my headphones & IEMs at home to practice with without having to dial my presets in differently.
    In the video he actually uses software to do the above process, I thought I'd just try replicate it with my mixing desk EQ.

     
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    There's already stereo cab available from makers such as Slateboy on this forum and the newer Ownhammer packs. In terms of a stereo widener the pitch block set for microshift may help.
     
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    I add a touch of delay with a very short lag to help simulate some room reflection in addition to a little reverb.

    I have been thinking about putting an EQ pedal into the effects loop which would allow a touch of headphone only EQ, and you could also put a delay or room reverb pedal there if you want to keep the rest of the presets unchanged.
     
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    Using an EQ pedal is an excellent idea! It's easy to adjust quickly and as you say, not change your preset. EQ pedals are inexpensive and wonderful tools that can be useful in MANY situations!
     
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    Good idea, but somewhat ironic that a modeler with multiple eq's needs an eq pedal!
     
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    Build presets specifically for your use with 'phones. What works for you won't work for anyone else. And vice versa.

    Delay, reverb, and equalization all need to be different to optimize your headphone sound.

    My approach is to never use headphones. Works great.

    Yeah. They could label it "small," and say something in the manual like "SMALL: simulates the reverb of a small room." It sure would be nice, wouldn't it?
    There's really nothing missing right now. All you need to do is to learn to use the available tools. Other folks who've gotten good results with 'phones won't be able to help you, because the response of a given set of headphones is different for every individual user.
     
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    Sadly the COVID zombie apocalypse means lots of headphone usage for me. YMMV

    P.S. I knew I was setting myself up for the small reverb snub. Good one!
     
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    I could certainly use the eq on the AA, but then it means messing up an existing preset or making a headphone copy of each preset. Sticking an EQ pedal in the loop that I can just turn on and off when needed is easier, and for non headphone usage, if you need to adjust slightly to a different room, you have the eq pedal already sitting there and it’s global so no need to adjust all your presets with a laptop.
     
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    That's sort of what I was getting at when I suggested "An easier way to have "headphone only settings" than copy/paste of a preset to customize it for headphone use." Some way to have an EQ that lives outside of the preset.
     
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    Global EQ would be a nice feature, but it isn’t a quick fix.
     
  12. Jay Mitchell

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    You're going to have to do that no matter what. Getting headphones to sound good involves more than just tweaks to equalization. Best to face up to that fact and get to work. How many presets are we talking about here? This isn't exactly a major project....

    FYI, you can create a reference preset with headphone-specific effects parameters - e.g., equalization, reverb, delay, compressor settings - and then copy/paste those settings into other presets that you can then save to different locations for headphone use.
     
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    How are folks using their AFB with Headphones?
     
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    I figured as long as I was going to get headphone amp that was going to occupy space on ym board, I might as well get some other feature in it.

    This little mixer comes in handy, has a decent headphone amp (as good as the above if not better and about the same price range). Any channel that just has the Left input is treated as mono (and mixed across both L&R). It can drive two sets of headphones (shared volume) and the main output.

    https://rolls.com/product/MX28



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