Help with AA in real band setting?

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  1. Quinn

    Quinn Member

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    I've been trying to use my AA with the group I usually play with im having difficulties. I plug my pedal board into a Vox AC30 and make sure its a flat tone for the AA. Anytime I use a preset that is gain orientated the tone sounds compressed and more like noise than anything else. If I want more volume should I turn up the amp? Or the level on the AA? Do you guys have any experience with this? Ive turned off the cab sim for the AA because im using the Vox cab. Anything would help at this point. Thanks for reading
     
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    Jace Nuzback Senior Member

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    Personally, I don't think the AC30 is a great match for the AmpliFire.
    The AC30 is a wonderful amp, but I can't imagine getting great tones running
    any amp modeling device through it. Again, this is a personal opinion. I'd love to
    hear some AC30 users "chime" in.
    To your volume question, if you're running in to the guitar input of the amp
    you should use the amp control to control volume. If you're running in the the FX
    loop return, you should use the LEVEL control knob on the AmpliFire to control volume.
    You should try it with the CAB IR active and see what kind of sound you get.
     
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    I tried running my AA12 into my mesaboogie once. meh. It's born to go direct. I don't think the AC30 has an fx loop, yeah?

    So the reason it sounds like a can of smashed republicans is you're putting (simply) a guitar preamp, tone stack and possibly a power amp (modelled) through a preamp, tonestack and a poweramp. When you hit the AA with a driven patch, you're probably also driving the vox.

    My advice - ditch the vox. Leave it at home. Put a lamp on it. Use a coaster if you're drinking. Patch your AA straight into the PA or an FRFR monitor.

    And for extra jizzy goodness, check out Ownhammers new GNR IRs.

    Embrace the tech. You didn't buy some cheezy ass Klon Klone hipster distortion pedal. You bought one of the finest amp modellers out there.

    I mean, the AAs go head to head with fractals and kempers at 2-3x the price.
     
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    Slartibartfarst42 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed I'm afraid. I used to use mine through an Orange 1X12 after going into the effects return of a TH30 but honestly, it's not a winner. I ended up having a great amp that I wasn't really using properly and a great modeller that I also wasn't using properly. For the best results, go one way or the other but don't try to combine them. I now just run my AA3 into a Laney IRT-X, which is great by itself for small gigs and I can use it as a monitor while also routing my signal through the PA for larger gigs. The sounds are superb and I would never dream of going back to a proper valve amp.
     
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    ...but if you want to give it a go with your Vox despite these warnings to the contrary, two things:
    1. The output from the Atomic is very hot, and what you're describing is compression and noise from overdriving the FX return. Turn your AA down at the Level knob. I had a show on the weekend where the input on the board was very sensitive, and I had to turn the output down to 8%.
    2. Turn off the IR/Cab on the output you are feeding the Vox. If you are feeding it the 1/4 outs you need to turn off modeling on the Main out; if you are feeding it from the XLRs, those are the Auxes. Counter-intuitive for something billed as a direct box, I know, but it is what it is. Either way, you already have a speaker running, so adding an IR on top of that could sound really good or really bad. My limited experience? Option B. Turn off cab emulation.
    So turn down the AA, turn off the cabs, and let us know how that goes.

    Joe
     
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    Thanks I tried direct today and it sounded way better than before! Yeah the vox doesn't have an effects loop. Ill check out those IRs.
     
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    I know this is an old thread but... I'm digging the sound going through the effects return of my PRS amp. Sounds very real to me. I know I'm not getting the Cab sims benefit and the Power Amp is disabled on the AA6.

    Question: For those of you doing the same as me (running it through the effect return), Do you just mic the amp at that point? or do you still run the AA6 direct into the PA even though the Power Amp is disabled?

    PS. I have the Cab sims on AUX only.
     
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    First off I would try it with the Power Amp modeling ON.
    I know that you're running the signal through an "actual" power amp,
    but most folks think this just sounds better. You should keep the CAB IR bypassed on that output though.
    If you do this, then you should use the XLR with the CAB IR on to the mixer.
    If you don't like the sound with the power amp modeling on through your PRS,
    then yes you should just mic your cabinet for the PA.
    Jace
     
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    I like to feel I'm pushing some air behind me on stage. I use AA12 Aux XLR > house mixer & AA12 Main Qtr > Fender-Blues Jr with clean settings. AA12's Power Amp on for both. I use the Clean 65, Plexi, Kornfield & 5051 amps with great results. Band members are impressed that my tone is consistent. Before I started using the AA12 it was a struggle using an amp & analog pedals to get decent tone to the house mix via a microphone.
     
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    I've settled on using a 1 watt Kingsley power amp in the effects loop of the AA6 with power amp sim ON. The Kingsley has a built-in reactive load with a line out that goes to the effects return of the Amplifire. I've set it up so the digital amp model provides the core tone and the tube phase inverter provides much of the overdrive. Best of both worlds.
     
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