Pleasantly surprised by "Effect" Footswitch action with Chorus, Flanger, and Phaser enabled

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  1. Quadfire

    Quadfire Well-Known Member

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    Started playing around with the use of the "Effects" setting on the footswitch page and selecting multiple effects (e.g., the modulation effects).

    It almost* behaves as described in https://atomicamps.com/forum/index.php?threads/assigning-foot-switches.2054/ but something else seems to be going on that is really nice.

    The AA seems to know which of the chorus, flanger, and phaser was "setup" for a given preset. Button 5 below only seems to activate/deactivate the phaser on a preset that only has the phaser tweaked. On another preset that only has the chorus setup, it only seems to turn the chorus on and off. This is very intuitive and powerful and perhaps hard to describe). @Jace Nuzback This would be good to add to the document in the above thread (assuming it's true); Also the docs seems a bit out of date regarding popups.

    The odd thing is that it does not matter if the preset was stored with the tweaked effect "active". The default value of active does not seem to affect this multi-effect footswitch behavior. It seems like the AA has some notion of an effect being for "added" to a preset that is seperate from "active". It only seems to matter if the effect was tweaked in that preset.

    I'm pretty sure this is how this works, but I could be wrong. I can hear whether or not the effect is on, see the footswith lights come on when I activate the block in the editor, and see the expected blocks on/off when I use the footswitches and the use "Refresh Current Preset". (Would be nice to have an easier way to trigger "Refresh Current Preset" in the editor. A keyboard shortcut? A button next to "Save As"?) Room enough for pilot error....

    Question is, if you ever tweaked the phaser on a preset, is there a way to undo that? What do you need edit in that preset so that it is back to the "default off" (so that the footswitch won't turn it on/off)? @Jace Nuzback

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    Here's what the doc says:

    EFFECTS ON/OFF

    You can assign any individual effect to be turned ON/OFF with a dedicated foot switch.
    On the FOOTSWITCHES page of the editor the top row lists the numbered foot switches. The next row is labeled MODE. Click the MODE window under foot switch #1 and a pop up window will appear displaying all of your choices.
    Select from:
    BOOST
    ECHO
    REVERB
    NOISE GATE
    WAH
    VOLUME
    GRAPHIC EQ
    PRE FILTER
    PARAMETRIC 1
    PARAMETRIC 2
    PARAMETRIC 3
    AMP
    COMPRESSOR
    CHORUS
    FLANGER
    PHASER
    TREMOLO
    PITCHSHIFTER

    It’s important to remember that the foot switch simply turns on/off the selected effect for the current preset. While you may have selected CHORUS to be turned on/off with foot switch #1, the chorus effect settings might be completely different from preset to preset. You can of course make them the same for every preset if you wish or you might want different chorus
    settings in different presets. Also, you might want some presets saved with the chorus ON so it’s there when you select the preset and then you can turn it OFF with the foot switch as needed. While you might want some presets saved with the chorus OFF so its not there when you select the preset and then you can turn it ON with the foot switch as needed.
    That last paragraph does not match what I see ... happily.
     
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    The effects footswitch parameter that you're using is a carry over from the original firmwares before they split out the individual modulation blocks. I'm not sure how it works anymore but you may find that using preset assign instead provides more flexibility for managing multiple effects blocks at once.
     
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    I can test PRESET ASSIGN, and I am very happy with how the EFFECTS footswitch setting works in practice. It has has some dark magic that seems to do exactly what I mean!

    My guess is that PRESET ASSIGN is a bit more explicit about what is on, off, inverted. It may not have this (magical) notion of only turning on/off the blocks that were modified and intended to be used in a given preset. The triggering of button LED is also handled well.

    Any clues to what really makes a block in a specific preset ineligible for toggling via the EFFECTS footswitch setting?
     
  5. Jace Nuzback

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    When I started with Atomic I asked Marc about the EFFECT mode and he said that it was a hold out feature from earlier versions, but that now PRESET MODE should be used instead. So I've ignored that mode and recommended to everyone to use PRESET MODE instead.
     
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    @Jace Nuzback Will PRESET MODE have the magic where it will only toggle the block on/off if the preset "uses" that block? Or do I need to effectively zero out the selected block on each preset for that to work?

    "Uses" is part of the magic that works in EFFECT mode.

    FYI, I find it somewhat hard to test/evaluate these types of settings. Feel free to call me lazy.
     
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    Well, the whole point of "preset assign mode" is that you're making different foot switch assignments
    per preset for a specific foot switch. So it can do whatever you like.
    Read the PRESET ASSIGN section of the attached PDF for more details.
     

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    Thanks Jace. That makes sense and how I thought it would work.

    PRESET ASSIGN will work but not as well for me as well as EFFECTS. I would need to update each preset to specify what the footswitch does in that preset. That gives very fine grain control, but also requires it. Any new preset that I create or import would need this setup. Not a huge deal, but not magic!

    The EFFECT mode magically turns on/off the right combination of the modulation effects from one footswitch. Not sure exactly how this works, but it does. It works well across all my presets without any extra effort for each preset I add (or import). Hopefiully this continues to work and there are no surprises as the wrong time! Magic!

    Thanks for making the AA so powerful and flexible. Everyone has their own needs and uses.
     
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